gitaneusa.com Forum Index » Vintage Gitane » ebay Claim    View previous topic :: View next topic  ebay Claim   Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 11:06 am overfedlonghairedgnome Joined: 18 Aug 2007 Posts: 64 Location: Antelope Valley, CA Hello! - It's been a while since I've posted but I do still visit to catch up on everything Gitane! I saw this ebay auction and it's claim that the early 70's TdF and SC frames with willow leaf seat stay cap treatments were all built by Bernard Carre. http://www.ebay.com/itm/330650482018?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649 I find it hard to fathom that the volume produced at the time would have been possible by a designer shop. But I turn to you experts to sort out! I had my own 70 Super Corsa in action yesterday, riding a 200k brevet through California's coast through Ventura, Santa Paula, Ojai, Montecito, and Santa Barbara. Here's my post it you're interested. http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php/704142-the-2011-Century-a-month-challenge?p=13562201&viewfull=1#post13562201 Jim _________________ Jim The overfed long haired leaping gnome Re: ebay Claim   Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 2:08 am verktyg Joined: 14 Jan 2007 Posts: 2814 Location: SF Bay Area overfedlonghairedgnome wrote: I saw this ebay auction and it's claim that the early 70's TdF and SC frames with willow leaf seat stay cap treatments were all built by Bernard Carre. http://www.ebay.com/itm/330650482018?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649 I find it hard to fathom that the volume produced at the time would have been possible by a designer shop. But I turn to you experts to sort out! In the seller's dreams!!! Bernard Carre was a French constructeur/contract frame shop located near Paris. They built frames frome the 1940s until the 1980s. Carre built most of the high end frames for Lejeune from the late 60s through the mid 70s. They also built some team frames for other small marques. The defining features of B. Carre's better frames were the willow leaf shaped seat stay caps however they were distinct in that they were applied upside down and were wider than those used on most other frames. Here's a picture of the seat lug on my 1973 Lejeune Champion du Monde frame made by B. Carre. Many of the frames B. Carre built for his own label had B. Carre stamped into the seat stay cap. Gitane Super Corsa and Tour de France frames had the brazed on willow leaf seat stay caps plus the brazed on rear brake cable stops at the top of seat stays from the late 60s until about 1970 or 71. Those were "luxury" features found on French constructeur frames. Gitane dropped those features around 1970 early in the bike boom era. Brazing on those 2 features could have added as much a 15 minutes per frame at a time when European bike makers were trying to push as many bikes out the door as they could box up. The bike in question is a very nice example of an almost all original 1969? Tour de France with a Wagner flat top crown and Simplex dropouts with "horns". The Ideale 90 saddle is the only thing that I can see that isn't original. These bikes would have come with Torquemada model Freccia D'Oro pain device! Last edited by verktyg on Tue Dec 06, 2011 12:19 pm; edited 1 time in total _________________ Chas. SF Bay Area, CA USA ============== 1984 Criterium 1969 TdF 1971 TdF 1974 TdF 1984 TdF x 2 Bikes 1970 SC 1971 SC 1972 SC 1984 SC 1984 Team Pro 1985 Professional 1990s Team Replica   Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 6:15 am overfedlonghairedgnome Joined: 18 Aug 2007 Posts: 64 Location: Antelope Valley, CA Chas I knew you'd have the straight skinny! Still, it was a nice TdF. I hope you all have a great holiday season! Jim _________________ Jim The overfed long haired leaping gnome Re: ebay Claim   Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 4:04 pm scozim Joined: 26 Sep 2008 Posts: 629 Location: Ellensburg, WA overfedlonghairedgnome wrote: Hello! - It's been a while since I've posted but I do still visit to catch up on everything Gitane! I had my own 70 Super Corsa in action yesterday, riding a 200k brevet through California's coast through Ventura, Santa Paula, Ojai, Montecito, and Santa Barbara. Here's my post it you're interested. http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php/704142-the-2011-Century-a-month-challenge?p=13562201&viewfull=1#post13562201 Jim Very cool! Looks like a great route. _________________ 1984 Gitane Sprint 1984 Gitane Tour de France mid-1970's Gitane Olympic Plus many more http://eburgcycling.blogspot.com Re: ebay Claim   Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 5:30 pm overfedlonghairedgnome Joined: 18 Aug 2007 Posts: 64 Location: Antelope Valley, CA scozim wrote: Very cool! Looks like a great route. Glad to repeat it for anybody that cares to meet me there! _________________ Jim The overfed long haired leaping gnome ebay Claim     gitaneusa.com Forum Index » Vintage Gitane You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum All times are GMT - 8 Hours   Page 1 of 1   All Posts1 Day7 Days2 Weeks1 Month3 Months6 Months1 Year Oldest FirstNewest First  Select a forum Gitane USA----------------Vintage GitaneGitane RacingModern GitanePro Racing - Classics/Giro/Tour....Owner Gallery   Powered by phpBB © 2001-2004 phpBB Group Designed for Trushkin.net | Themes Database.