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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 9:56 am Reply with quote
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Regarding the "rarity" of the Deltas, here is a picture of Marie during the 1985 Tour de France. Guimard is driving the car...note the spare bike on the roof.



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 10:59 am Reply with quote
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heres a question to ponder , was the saddle faring fiberglass or a plastic ? since its definately different from the one on the gitane , did gitane custom make this one from fiberglas ? maybe like the delta bars?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 11:18 am Reply with quote
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Good question. The worst part about all of this is...that someone (probably in France) has all of the answers to all of our questions...and probably has this bicycle sitting around somewhere. Nuts!

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 1:34 pm Reply with quote
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sandranian wrote:
Regarding the 84 TTT, you may be right about how many were actually produced at the time. Also, might have been due to the wind conditions(?).


Maybe true about wind conditions, but also had another thought. The delta had a reduced turning circle due to the handlebar design. Maybe they could not use them on very technical courses? But they did use them in TTT's in later years.........

I'm hesitant to suggest that the deltas were only made for a few riders as we have seen a budget version of the first generation TT bike (like lofter's) on ebay.

I actually had one of those saddle farings, back in the early 90's. They broke very easily. I'm guessing that the one that marie used on the maxi-sports bike was modified. The one on the delta is just wild.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 5:06 pm Reply with quote
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Found this:

http://www.museedusport.jeunesse-sports.gouv.fr/histoire_objet.php

Scroll down. Check the bars, and THOSE rims!

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 5:09 pm Reply with quote
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rough, but you get the idea......

Companies and former runners often seek to agree to change equipment in the field sports, allowing a spacecraft to reach some form of perfection. The cycles Gitane (then under the control of the Regie Renault), hired costly research based on advanced studies aerodynamics in the wind tunnel l'Ecole de Saint-Cyr, to develop a machine called the high-profile competition , presented to the press in April 1979. In the prologue of the Tour, Fleurance, in the first stage (against the clock by teams) Captieux-Bordeaux, Bernard Hinault use this wonderful prototype, and this experience will lead, of course, subsequently, and many normal correction and improvements. It was through Cyrille Guimard, then Director of Sports Gitane, and thanks to the understanding of Christian Loeillet, president of the company, that the National Museum of Sport has been able to acquire this machine "such that in itself, "rebound with all its elements of origin (shaped tubes, cables invisible rims announcing future wheels ...)

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 2:42 am Reply with quote
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http://fr.video.yahoo.com/video/play?vid=1118632673&fr=

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 6:37 am Reply with quote
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Wisey: Great find! That is seriously one of the best "internet finds" ever. I know that Gitane pretty much invented the TT bike, but that is confirming evidence, I would say. And to be able to site it to a museum is even nicer. The bars appear to be modified Belleri track bars: They have the same drop (slant), but they appear to be drilled and actually "aero". The stem is pretty funky as well. The video shows off the bike...did you see Guimard in the background as they are examining the bike?

And what kind of hubs are those?

Again...Wisey...you are the winner today!

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 9:44 am Reply with quote
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That video source you identified is a gold mine. Check out this video of the 1984 Tour...with Fignon leading out the peleton into the last corner on the Champs!

http://www.ina.fr/archivespourtous/index.php?vue=notice&from=fulltext&mc=Fignon,%20Laurent&num_notice=2&total_notices=50

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 9:53 am Reply with quote
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sandranian wrote:
That video source you identified is a gold mine. Check out this video of the 1984 Tour...with Fignon leading out the peleton into the last corner on the Champs!

http://www.ina.fr/archivespourtous/index.php?vue=notice&from=fulltext&mc=Fignon,%20Laurent&num_notice=2&total_notices=50


I think Greg LeMond did the same in 1986...the plan was to help Hinault win his last stage on the TDF like he had done in 79 and 82...this time with the climber's jersey ! I think Hinault finished 6th of that sprint, eventually...

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