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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 12:46 pm Reply with quote
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Interesting picture. He is riding a Raleigh....

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 1:31 pm Reply with quote
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sandranian wrote:
Interesting picture. He is riding a Raleigh....


You're right, it's a Raleigh Team Reynolds 753 bike. Could have been a loaner bike but they usually say Service Corse or something like that on the top tube.

It looks like the yellow sticker on the stem says "GRAB on"

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 3:37 pm Reply with quote
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Regarding the sticker...that would be quite a coincidence, eh chas?

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 5:43 pm Reply with quote
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what's the story with the grab on sticker?

I thought greg used della santa bikes in his amateur days. He's still building, and still uses the world title stripes on his bikes that he earned when greg rode one of his bikes to win the junior world title.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 7:05 pm Reply with quote
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Paul Wiseman wrote:
what's the story with the grab on sticker?


There is a mystery Gitane on US eBay. It looks like a Professional or Replica. There are no tubing stickers on the frame but there is a GRAB ON sticker.

It's made of GRAB ON tubing! Twisted Evil

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 5:39 am Reply with quote
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Greg rode for Dela Santa in the USA...that picture is of him in Europe at some point. ...

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 7:27 am Reply with quote
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That'd be 1980...I think.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 8:12 am Reply with quote
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Greg rode for Dela Santa in the USA...that picture is of him in Europe at some point. ...


There was a NOS Dela Santa Team Z frame on eBay a while back. It was being auctioned by someone who works/worked with Dela Santa and sells a lot of NOS stuff out of Reno, NV.

The seller said that it was built as a backup for Lemond but he never used it so it was still NIB.

I threw a $1k bid at it but wasn't even close to the selling price.

Here's a nice picture of Greg leading the pack on a Z Team bike in the 1990 TdF:

http://grahamwatson.com/dublin/lemond/image5.html

Another shot from the 1992 TdF:

http://grahamwatson.com/dublin/lemond/image4.html

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 8:35 am Reply with quote
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Here's a link to the complete site with some great Lemond pictures:

http://grahamwatson.com/dublin/lemond/lemond.html

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 10:41 am Reply with quote
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Graham watson is one of the best if not the best !

That's a pity his site doesn't show more archives...

For those interested, he wrote this book :

http://cgi.ebay.fr/Tour-de-France-and-its-heroes-MINT-HB-Graham-Watson_W0QQitemZ170166674508QQihZ007QQcategoryZ2855QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

And sells this gorgeous poster (sorry, no gitane in sight) :

http://www.amazon.com/LeMond-Hinault-Poster-Graham-Watson/dp/B000LVS6ZE/ref=sr_1_6/002-1020921-6304809?ie=UTF8&s=home-garden&qid=1194633680&sr=8-6

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Wow, that DS would have been nice. Bet you anything it's now in the Horton collection. Haven't met him, but my mate Dazza is really impressed with Brett Horton. Good bloke.

Of course, you could just get DS to make you a NNS(new, new stock) bike in your size............ (but it wouldn't be greg's spare bike would it)

But of course, any bike with 56ST, 57TT, 73*HTA & 72.5* STA, could be a spare bike for greg! Don't quote me on those numbers, but I think it was something like that.

The first Z team pic from 1990 shows the TVT bikes he used badged as GL. Not everyone on the team rode carbon at that point. The second pic of the TT bike in 1992 is one of the first Calfee he used. Had very cool webbed lugs. Looked like the "bat-bike". Greg had Calfee make bikes for the whole team, badged as GL. They still do superbe work. They are to trek what richard sachs is to gitane. You can still check their work at http://www.calfeedesign.com/index.htm.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 11:12 pm Reply with quote
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Dave Hickey wrote:
sandranian wrote:
Bernard Tapie - a French businessman. La Vie Claire was a health food chain...with a host of products. And I believe you are right regarding Look frames, but it wouldn't surprise me if Hinault would have insisted on the maker of his prior frames (badged as "Hinault"). Hinault had that type of power at the time, but who knows...maybe Look just hired his framebuilder???


I read in a book about Hinault that the "Hinault" badged frames were built by his personal mechanic...I'll try to find the guys name tonight.

As for LOOK, The 753 steel frames were the first LOOK frames. They came out with the carbon tubed aluminum lugged frame shortly after.

The very first carbon LOOK's were actually TVTs. I have a KG86 from 1987 and it has "TVT" drop outs and bottom bracket stamp. The fork also had a TVT decal

At some point, I think LOOK bought TVT. I have a KG76 from 1988 and it is stamped "LOOK" on the dropouts and BB but the frame is identical to the KG86



yesterday i found a picture from tomy rominger from 91 when he rode for toshiba/look, on a time trail look at paris-nice. the lugs from steerer tube with the TVT logo.
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who build the 753 Look frames............... 
PostPosted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 1:53 am Reply with quote
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this theme is very interesting, so i asked an ex-pro from swiss in a german forum.
he wrote me that he can´t say who made the frames, but he will fon with paul köchli himself to ask.
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