gitaneusa.com Forum Index » Vintage Gitane » spidel Goto page 1, 2  Next    View previous topic :: View next topic  spidel   Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 11:55 am bowser Joined: 17 Jul 2007 Posts: 94 Location: lancashire uk just spotted some spidel mechs on the bay anyone recognise the model? look like lj but gold plated! item no 320564536192 e bay uk   Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 12:29 pm Gtane Joined: 14 Sep 2007 Posts: 681 Location: UK Bowser, I doubt that it's actually gold in finish. The item looks to me to have been taken on an exposure without a blue filter/white balance under standard bulb lighting, hence the yellow/gold tinge. The gold/yellow tinge on the green background also points to a lighting issue. It wouldn't show in this way if the item was actually gold in colour. The seller appears to possibly have a similar exposure issue with other items they're selling, unless I'm completely wrong and they are actually gold in colour/finish. It might be worth checking with the seller for absolute peace of mind as this is just my thought. Nice item even so. Tim _________________ Everything has a cycle   Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 1:41 pm bowser Joined: 17 Jul 2007 Posts: 94 Location: lancashire uk how stupid am i just realised my mistake! Drillium   Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 4:36 pm verktyg Joined: 14 Jan 2007 Posts: 2814 Location: SF Bay Area The derailleur is stamped 1982 and as Gtane mentioned I don't think it's gold anodized either, it's just the lighting. Simplex marketed under both the Sipdel group name and their own label. They also made derailleurs for several other marques including Gipiemme and Edco. Also, I've never seen drillium on any standard Simplex derailleur. _________________ Chas. SF Bay Area, CA USA ============== 1984 Criterium 1969 TdF 1971 TdF 1974 TdF 1984 TdF x 2 Bikes 1970 SC 1971 SC 1972 SC 1984 SC 1984 Team Pro 1985 Professional 1990s Team Replica   Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 3:34 am greyhundguy Joined: 09 Apr 2008 Posts: 678 Location: South-Central VIRGINIA Bowser, This listing appears to be the SLJ 5500 with Spidel labeling. I have one of these on my PY 10 CP shown below. And while the drillium of the cage may be after market, it is possible that it was factory done as indicated in this link. http://www.velo-pages.com/main.php?g2_itemId=29286 Granted this is a different derailleur, but it may be possible that the eBay listing was factory done also. Who knows what was going on with the European versions. Obviously factory drilling was rare and not readily available. At GBP 20.00 it was a very fair price even with the condition issues. Jay _________________ Dance like nobody is watching.   Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 2:13 pm bowser Joined: 17 Jul 2007 Posts: 94 Location: lancashire uk yes was outbid at last second so missed out lesson learned sure these guys have a bid tracker that bids up just above yours to a certain limit   Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 3:01 pm greyhundguy Joined: 09 Apr 2008 Posts: 678 Location: South-Central VIRGINIA Bowser, Yes, there are several software bidding programs that can be used. It's nice for a number of reasons. 1. You don't have to place an opening bid at all, unless you want to or think that a seller might end the auction early. 2. You set your highest price and forget it, so that if you are at work or asleep it triggers automatically in the last 1-5 seconds. 3. While there is a tiny fee (well worth it) if you win, you are not charged if you don't. 4. It bids at the auction increment. (if the last bid is $20, the increment $1, and you set $30, you win at $21). I've lost some and won some (sometimes for much less than my maximum). Jay _________________ Dance like nobody is watching.   Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 4:55 am Gtane Joined: 14 Sep 2007 Posts: 681 Location: UK Bowser, Here's a Simplex Prestige rear changer finished in the colour gold that's currently for sale - http://tinyurl.com/37gps3k The seller also has other Simplex Prestige items finished in gold. No connection. Tim _________________ Everything has a cycle   Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 8:48 am verktyg Joined: 14 Jan 2007 Posts: 2814 Location: SF Bay Area Gtane wrote: Bowser, Here's a Simplex Prestige rear changer finished in the colour gold that's currently for sale - http://tinyurl.com/37gps3k The seller also has other Simplex Prestige items finished in gold. I'm not sure that Prestige is the proper terminology for these derailleurs?? _________________ Chas. SF Bay Area, CA USA ============== 1984 Criterium 1969 TdF 1971 TdF 1974 TdF 1984 TdF x 2 Bikes 1970 SC 1971 SC 1972 SC 1984 SC 1984 Team Pro 1985 Professional 1990s Team Replica   Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 9:59 am Gtane Joined: 14 Sep 2007 Posts: 681 Location: UK verktyg wrote: I'm not sure that Prestige is the proper terminology for these derailleurs?? Chas, It's listed on Velobase as the 'Simplex SLJ 5000' and as being part of the Super LJ group but without reference to the Prestige name - http://tinyurl.com/38gfcxg From a quick search on the internet, most references to the changer list and show it without the Prestige name, so your note ties in. Tim _________________ Everything has a cycle Simplex models   Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 11:36 am verktyg Joined: 14 Jan 2007 Posts: 2814 Location: SF Bay Area In the early 60s when Simplex first introduced the Delrin® plastic derailleurs they exchanged the model names Criterium and Prestige for their various models several different times. By the late 60s Criterium was their top model and Prestige was their economy model. In the early 70s Simplex brought out their Super LJ alloy derailleurs. After that they used SLJ, LJ, SA, SX and so on with numbers indicating the quality level. Simplex model nomenclature was/is confusing even for experts and serious collectors. Also I've frequently found eBay sellers who try to make it sound like they're experts on the goods they're offering when many times they were wearing "nappies" when their goods were being produced! _________________ Chas. SF Bay Area, CA USA ============== 1984 Criterium 1969 TdF 1971 TdF 1974 TdF 1984 TdF x 2 Bikes 1970 SC 1971 SC 1972 SC 1984 SC 1984 Team Pro 1985 Professional 1990s Team Replica   Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 12:18 pm Gtane Joined: 14 Sep 2007 Posts: 681 Location: UK Chas, Thanks for that. I agree with you about sellers professing to know about the items they sell. A classic area of confusion are the Records, Nuovo Records, Super Records and Gran Sports. Tim _________________ Everything has a cycle   Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 4:35 pm greyhundguy Joined: 09 Apr 2008 Posts: 678 Location: South-Central VIRGINIA While it's not properly the "Prestige" derailleur, I believe the confusion of sellers comes from the fact that on the back plate many are printed with "Prestige-Simplex. All of my "Criteriums" and my SLJ 5500 have this. They don't take the time to research the proper model through online catalogs or Velo-Base. I've learned to ignore the "prestige" description and go by the photo of the offering. Jay _________________ Dance like nobody is watching.   Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 2:19 am Gtane Joined: 14 Sep 2007 Posts: 681 Location: UK Jay and Chas, Simplex is not a brand with which I am particularly familiar so thank you for the detail. The photo of the back plate of this particular rear changer appears to have 'Prestige-Simplex' as you describe, Jay. Tim _________________ Everything has a cycle   Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 3:35 am greyhundguy Joined: 09 Apr 2008 Posts: 678 Location: South-Central VIRGINIA Tim, Maybe Lucien Juy considered all of them "Prestigious". 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