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New "to me" Gitane, unknown year 
PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 9:20 am Reply with quote
kedurrant
Joined: 13 Jul 2013
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Location: Toulon, France
I am an American living in southern France and I recently acquired this bike. It was in rough shape and I plan on getting it back in a roadworthy state. A lot of the parts were original or replaced early on, I am not sure. I certainly learned a lot taking this bike apart with all the odd sizes and unique construction features.

I dont know if I am going to stay true to the era and find parts from the era to replace. Finding these parts is difficult, even in France. I am thinking I am going to bring the frame back down to bare metal and reconstruct it keeping some of the unique features but adding modern Campagnolo components.

I would certainly appreciate any details anyone can provide me concerning the bike though.













Thanks,

Kyle
Toulon France[/img]

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 9:54 am Reply with quote
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I forgot to add, can anyone tell me what the little tab on the 5th photo is on the rear triangle?

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 2:23 pm Reply with quote
lofter
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Hello , welcome . the tab is for a generator to power lights . more than likely an randoneer or light touring model . it should have come with fenders with light on front and tail light on back. I'll check the catalog section for year. Were missing 1981 which is where this might fall.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 2:34 pm Reply with quote
lofter
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Looks like this bike
http://www.gitaneusa.com/images/catalog/1980/french/Gitane_1980_Page_27.jpg
Anybody else want to chime in?
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 7:23 pm Reply with quote
vanhelmont
Joined: 11 Dec 2007
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Location: Florida
Kyle,

If you strip it to the metal and fit it out with either period correct or new Campy components, you should end up with a nice bike, but from my experience, painting is either a lot of work and hard to get it right, or expensive if it's done professionally. With a rattlecan it's hard to avoid the paint that misses one tube getting on the other, I think it's called overspray, making a rough surface.
Gman got good result with powder coating his bike, which isn't too expensive.

Little bits and pieces also add up. Hate to damp your enthusiasm, but unless the bike's something special to you, or you enjoy the restoring process, you are probably better off getting a better bike to start with, which may not be too hard in France.

Does it have any tubing sticker, or even the remains of one that somebody knowledgeable can identify?

A bike like this can, I think, be practical to just touch up the paint, and use whatever parts are cheaply available, to ride to the store, etc.

Dave
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Early 80s Gran Prix 
PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 12:30 am Reply with quote
verktyg
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lofter wrote:
Looks like this bike
http://www.gitaneusa.com/images/catalog/1980/french/Gitane_1980_Page_27.jpg
Anybody else want to chime in?

Lofter's got it... Looks like an early 80s Gitane Gran Prix:

http://www.gitaneusa.com/images/catalog/1980/french/Gitane_1980_Page_26.jpg

This was an entry level randonneur/touring model. As someone else mentioned the tab on the left seat stay was for mounting a generator (dynamo).


The 2 most important features on a bike as far as ride and handling are concerned are the frame and the wheels.

This bike has a plain carbon steel frame. Alloy steels used in bicycle tubing were 2-3 times stronger than carbon steel tubing. This allowed for thinner wall thickness on the tubes which made a frame up to 2 pounds (1 kilo) lighter.

More than the weight factor, alloy steel frames are more "supple". They have a lighter feel and absorb more road shock and vibrations. Heavier carbon steel frames feel dead by comparison.

Lighter wheels ride better and are easier to pedal especially when climbing hills.

It looks like your bike already has aluminum alloy rims which are up to 2 pounds lighter than steel rims plus they stop a WHOLE LOT BETTER when wet.


If you need to have the saddle as high as shown in the picture, you need a much bigger frame. It appears to be a 56cm or 57cm frame. A 60cm, 62cm or larger frame would be a better fit for you.

As far as upgrading to Campagnolo components, there's an old time expression expression in the US: "Silk stockings on a rooster"... Shocked

If this were my bike bike, I'd clean it up, service the bearings, get some new cables and brake blocks and ride it as it is.

Save your money. You should be able to find a Gitane (or other make) alloy steel frame or bike in your size in France for a reasonable price that would be worth upgrading...

Besides a lot of the Campagnolo "benefits" have more to do with vanity than actual performance.

For example, the old plastic Simplex rear derailleurs when properly adjusted and lubricated shifted far better than any derailleurs Campagnolo made before the late 80s.

French and Japanese components will give you just as good, sometimes better performance than Campagnolo parts (BTW, I have 22 all Campy bikes so it's not sour grapes).

Here's 3 all Campy Gitanes that I bought for reasonable prices:

1970 Super Corsa all Campy


1972 Super Corsa all Campy


1985 Professional all Campy


1990s Team bike from France, "Campy Free Zone" Wink


Good luck with your efforts.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 3:56 pm Reply with quote
verktyg
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The photos weren't working properly yesterday. After looking at them closely today, it appears that you have a bike that was assembled with a lot of mismatched parts thrown together.

As I said above, I wouldn't spend a lot of money on upgrading this bike. I recommend that you get everything working properly and have fun riding it.

Do a search on Frenchbuilt and see some of the bikes he's picked up at bargain prices in France... Wink

Also if you do go shopping for another bike, make sure that you find a frame that fits you properly.

BTW, the rear wheel has a steel rim and plus wing nuts that were abandoned in the early 70s in favor of hex nuts or hubs with quick releases.

Think of you bike as a Citroen 2cv Deux Chevaux or a Renault Dauphine... very practical but not something that you would want to put a Ferrari engine into (Campagnolo components).

The French were VERY proud of their bicycles and their domestically made components. They never copied anyone... and no one copied them! Laughing

Think of Italian made components as "The French celebration of the Italian wine harvest". Twisted Evil

Is it wrong, or just French!

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1984 Criterium
1969 TdF
1971 TdF
1974 TdF
1984 TdF x 2 Bikes
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1971 SC
1972 SC
1984 SC
1984 Team Pro
1985 Professional
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 2:56 pm Reply with quote
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Its true! France is full of 100 to 120 euro bikes. Some brand new. Unless
a bit special or a known specific model, most light weight racing bikes fall into this price range and its hard to find buyers above this range. I did pay around 300 euros once for a brand new Tour de France but later resold it for the same and this took some time. All reynolds TDF's can be found from 50 to 120 euros and my best was for around 45 euros but a bit far away for pick up, but its often interesting to find nice bikes off the beaten path.

Once on the way to Sochaux France on business to the Peugeot Scooter factory, I picked up 3 bikes in one day. I got a Beautifully built Peugeot Triathlon road bike (Reynolds 501, Stronglight etc) for 55 euros and from the original owner and the whole family came out to see the bike go as if a part of the family was leaving forever. Later in the day, I picked up a beautifully
built Motobecane Mirage in never used condition for 60 euros and this included a Shimano AX water bottle worth twice the price.
This bike was just sitting in a guys car since he was moving and then he said I have another bike, a Peugeot , you can have for 45 euros. After about 15 minutes he came back with a Peugeot PSN something or other but full Reynolds, Simplex SLJ and of course new but sitting around for a long time condition. So we came back with 3 full bikes on our 500 kilometer road trip.

Finally, I hit the road a long while back following up on a ad for an orange Gitane for 120 euros (my first Gitane buy in France since 1984). The photo looked good so off to the coast on a winter sunday and a young guy wheels out a in new condition all original Tour de France that his neighbor had sitting in his basement for 33 years. The story was that the neighbor was dying and gave the bike to the guy to keep and sell to good home.

Good luck there are tons.

Dan

Here is the Peugeot Triathlon which I really almost felt bad taking away from this family I mentioned (its OK, nothing wrong with these well crafted bikes and today Peugeot and Gitanes are built in the same factory!)



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