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 Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2013 1:36 am |
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| fightfooter |
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| Location: Hannover, Germany |
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Dear all,
can you help identifying my Gitane? The old (2nd) owner told me, that he bought the bike in 1969, but the first owner bought it in 1963 in Cologne, Germany, at RUFA. That sounds for me too early, but please check the attached pictures. What does the frame number say?
Thanks from Hannover/ Germany in advance!
Marc
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| Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2013 8:44 am |
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| mountaindave |
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I wish I could help you, have you checked the catalogs?.
FYI, your picture-hosting site is not necessarily work-safe.  |
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| Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2013 2:52 pm |
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| smilingroadrunner |
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Welcome Marc !!
I believe you may be correct in suspecting this may be a Late '60's or likely an early 70's frameset. Possibly a Tour De France frame, additional image of the headset and the front fork stays may be helpful. The seat & seatpost, handlebars and stem have been updated, Stronglight crankset suggest a T de F. The air pump support, rear brake bridge may suggest late 60's frameset.
I Like Steel !!!!
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C.A.
Salina, KS.
P.s. thanks for editing out the image hosting links---from earlier this day. |
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| Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2013 4:20 pm |
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| fightfooter |
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| smilingroadrunner wrote: |
Welcome Marc !!
I believe you may be correct in suspecting this may be a Late '60's or likely an early 70's frameset. Possibly a Tour De France frame, additional image of the headset and the front fork stays may be helpful. The seat & seatpost, handlebars and stem have been updated, Stronglight crankset suggest a T de F. The air pump support, rear brake bridge may suggest late 60's frameset.
I Like Steel !!!!
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C.A.
Salina, KS.
P.s. thanks for editing out the image hosting links---from earlier this day. |
Sorry for that hosting links, that was not my attention! Here are the additional pictures, I hope they help to identify the bike ...
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| | | | | | | | | Here is an excellent resource Gitane Tour de France models | | | | | |
| Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2013 6:52 pm |
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| smilingroadrunner |
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Marc, You might take a look at a great resource prepared by site member Verktyg.
Charles posted Gitane Tour de France Dating Guide this past Saturday August 10 2013, a handy resource to help date late 60's and early 70's Tour de France models.
I can't tell for sure but possibly this frame has a P-3 headset, the Wagner crown on the front forks, and as Chas has stated just because it has Campy front & rear drop - outs "does not make it a Super-Corsa". I think the Simplex down-tube derailleur shifters also help date this into this era.
I'm still not certain about the way the stop of the rear stays are "creased" at the seatpost. Possibly our site "Guru" can enlighten us once again.
What's Up Chas ???
Lots of modifications though---the narrow flange Campy hubs and tied and soldered spokes likely were not original. Still looks like a jewel to clean up and it should afford a nice ride.
I Like Steel !!!!
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C.A.
Salina, KS
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| | | | | | | | | Mid 60s European Model With Updated Components | | | | | |
| Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2013 10:26 pm |
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| verktyg |
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Thanks for the kudos guys... 
Coming from Germany it's definitely a bike made for that specific market.
The treatment of the seat stay tops, the pump pegs under the top tube, the fork crown and so on are why I think that it's a mid 1960s European model bike - 1966 or 67.
It was probably a near the top of the line model at the time.
The headset is a Stronglight V4 which wasn't used very often by Gitane.
The MAFAC Competition brakes didn't appear until the late 1960s.
The pedals may not be original.
The stem looks like a much later Cinelli model.
The saddle looks like a Cinelli Unicanitor form the mid 70s.
Bikes from this era usually had large flange hubs, This bike has small flange which may not be original.
The Simplex shift levers don't match the Campy derailleurs???
There appears to be the remnants of a Reynolds 531 decal on the seat tube. The forks and stays may have been Durifort tubing.
The paint and chrome look very nice and may be original.
It looks close to this 1967 #100 Champion du Monde:
http://www.gitaneusa.com/images/catalog/1967/usa_france/1967-Cat-002.jpg
"SPECIFICATIONS SUBJECT TO CHANCE WITHOUT NOTICE"
The bike may have been gradually upgraded over time.
That's my guestimate... |
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SF Bay Area, CA USA
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1984 Criterium
1969 TdF
1971 TdF
1974 TdF
1984 TdF x 2 Bikes
1970 SC
1971 SC
1972 SC
1984 SC
1984 Team Pro
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Mid 60s European Model With Updated Components | | | | | |
| Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 3:45 am |
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| fightfooter |
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| verktyg wrote: |
Thanks for the kudos guys...
Coming from Germany it's definitely a bike made for that specific market.
The treatment of the seat stay tops, the pump pegs under the top tube, the fork crown and so on are why I think that it's a mid 1960s European model bike - 1966 or 67.
It was probably a near the top of the line model at the time.
The headset is a Stronglight V4 which wasn't used very often by Gitane.
The MAFAC Competition brakes didn't appear until the late 1960s.
The pedals may not be original.
The stem looks like a much later Cinelli model.
The saddle looks like a Cinelli Unicanitor form the mid 70s.
Bikes from this era usually had large flange hubs, This bike has small flange which may not be original.
The Simplex shift levers don't match the Campy derailleurs???
There appears to be the remnants of a Reynolds 531 decal on the seat tube. The forks and stays may have been Durifort tubing.
The paint and chrome look very nice and may be original.
It looks close to this 1967 #100 Champion du Monde:
http://www.gitaneusa.com/images/catalog/1967/usa_france/1967-Cat-002.jpg
"SPECIFICATIONS SUBJECT TO CHANCE WITHOUT NOTICE"
The bike may have been gradually upgraded over time.
That's my guestimate... |
Chas, C.A., Dave, thanks a lot for your answers; I hope that helps to find further pictures to find the right model, right components and the right decals.
As you all mentioned there were some ‘upgrades’ done, not easy to trace because they were done a long time ago. I spoke with the former owner, he’s an appr. 70 years old guy and he feel sure that he bought the bike in 1969 from the first owner. He remember the exchange of the saddle (now Carnitator, before Brooks) and of the rims (now NISI, before Weinmann with wood inlet, sorry if that is not the correct word). I will keep the contact to the second owner, maybe he remember some changing’s, or find old documents or photos, or ...
The Campy derailleurs are Nuovo Record and marked with Patent 72, maybe also changed later. The Mafacs are Type ‘2000’, I didn’t find a date when this model appeared. The stem is Cinelli, model seemed to be the early version of the 1A, what is dated with ‘late 60’s-early 70’s in velobase’. Handlebar looks like it is a Cinelli 66 Campione del Mondo with the early logo, what is dated 1960's - 1970's on velobase. Pedals are old Campy, don’t know model and year, with Christophe toe clips and Alfredo Binda strips. I didn’t find any remnants of Reynolds on the seat tube, but the painting looks original for me.
I think the following can happened: the second owner was sure, that the first owner bought the bike at RU-FA in Cologne. RU-FA (Rudolph Fauss) was well-known in Germany at that time, especially for his own-made bikes for professionals. To make money out of his success he also purchased bikes from other companies in Germany, Italy, France, UK, and sometimes he brand labeled them. ... Maybe mine is one of that, and the first owner didn’t want to have it labeled or remove the labels. The second owner said to me that he got the bike without labels. Other possibility is that RU-FA only bought a frame with headset and fork and assembled it with components from stock, Brooks and Weinmann did also not fit to an French bike.
Maybe I see a little clearer after disassembling crank set by checking the bottom brackets, I must wait for a friend because I didn’t have the right tool for it.
Hopefully you support me in that way you’ve done the last days, I think you’re the only group of specialist for Gitane in the world and I need help to bring back the bike in the old condition! |
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